tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9068983395238677931.post9189559664945219384..comments2014-09-16T18:21:23.122-07:00Comments on Stop It B: Affirmative Action is White Slavery (and other stuff you didn't know were "things")felonious munkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10911595297062494346noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9068983395238677931.post-82888202421591036602013-08-23T08:21:18.842-07:002013-08-23T08:21:18.842-07:00The problem I see with AA isn't so much that i...The problem I see with AA isn't so much that it was created. Heck I get why...but the problem with it is that things are much different now vs the 1960's.<br /><br />First off when does a program technically end? When would it be declared a success and be dissolved? <br /><br />Secondly is that what specifically is deemed a minority today is totally different then generations ago. The numbers of mixed race people are far higher. So does someone get half AA if they are like Obama? What about if someone was adopted like in the movie the Jerk? What about hispanics? Asians etc. How does one determine what a minority is on a given scale. Is it local? State, regional, national or something else. Let's say a white guy meets a native american and he lives on the reservation. Should the tribe give him AA because he is white and obviously a minority? I know of a city where it is nearly 50/50 white and hispanic so african americans and asians are minorities so who is decided to get more? <br /><br />Third Who **really** wants to use affirmation action and be known for using it? I know a african american that made a business and then put it under his wifes name so that way he gets more federal contracts! His wife does nothing for it at all, he runs the show.<br /><br />Lastly I'd note that there actually was white slavery under the Irish with Cromwell. This is why many Jamaicans sound Irish. A fair amount of the Caribbean has white slaves as ancestors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9068983395238677931.post-35782251829625254092013-08-12T23:04:49.162-07:002013-08-12T23:04:49.162-07:00White people don't get that they're alread...White people don't get that they're already at an unfair disadvantage. Even with affirmative action to help us receive similar opportunities, a degree will take them further and a job will pay them more. There are cases now where white people are challenging AA in schools because they believe it to be unfair, but don't find a shred of irony in the fact that the schools that they're suing are majority white colleges and unicersities. I went to a southern school with a very small amount of black students, and white people would complain about affirmative action as if we didnt make up less than 5% of the population. The fact that they don't understand the need for AA makes me wonder how they see us: most anti affirmative action arguments talk of capability, and they usually make it seem as if white people are the only ones capable for whatever position "unjustly" filled by a Black person via affirmative action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9068983395238677931.post-68412929494427181752013-08-11T17:10:42.122-07:002013-08-11T17:10:42.122-07:00Thank you for this insight. I never knew that AA i...Thank you for this insight. I never knew that AA is factored into downsizing. Although I DO support AA, I honestly think in this particular application it's completely unfair. If two people are given the same position and one outperforms the other, the choice seems obvious. I would not feel good about keeping my job in a layoff solely based on being a black woman. I may still be grateful, but I would still feel guilty.CeesAllThathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04199806371321236337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9068983395238677931.post-53791558469509381172013-08-09T13:58:15.817-07:002013-08-09T13:58:15.817-07:00The saddest thing is that we really do need Affirm...The saddest thing is that we really do need Affirmative Action. From my perspective, the old, tired, "I had to fire these superior white men in order to keep these black, brown, women in jobs." Well, yes actually that is discrimination. My White female executives at one of my previous employments, hired a young, single male at 30% more than me. I know because he disclosed what he was being paid to me. Hmmm. So I had the same degree, a decade more experience, a superb work record with amazing annual reviews, but he is able to earn 30% more than me Why? When I approached my supervisors about this injustice, I was informed as a "man, he will have a family to support, also, he is supporting his young adult brother with out any help from his family, which is just so "incredible"so its actually quite fair." "Well, I am supporting my three young sons with no child support, no alimony, no family support. So, does that qualify me for more money?" As it turns out, no. Apparently my inability to recognize my ex-husband after five years and my having worked and put him through school, would leave and become a "upwardly mobile working man/player." I "chose to have children and should have made a better decision about who I married." Oh yes my dears, they used to say that s*** as little as twenty years ago. Of course, I still had all three of my boys at home and a car payment, rent, utilities, etc... so I got the message, shut up and put up with it or lose your job. My next review, i was not longer "a good team player" and I needed to "learn to be more of a team player." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9068983395238677931.post-87904945758756866212013-08-08T20:23:46.962-07:002013-08-08T20:23:46.962-07:00FM, I've been a huge fan of yours for a while....FM, I've been a huge fan of yours for a while. Even as a conservative, a libertarian, and a fundamentalist Christian, I deeply appreciate your willingness to BE BOLD in your stances and, even more importantly, your integrity. That said...<br /><br />[Show how ending AA would be beneficial, not just to you, but to the country as a whole]<br /><br />I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."<br /><br />I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.<br /><br />I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.<br /><br />I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.<br /><br />I have a dream today.<br /><br />***<br /><br />Affirmative Action is NOT equality. It is NOT brotherhood. It is NOT about the content of character but is, in fact, perpetuating the division based on the color of skin.<br /><br />Reverse discrimination is still discrimination. You cannot achieve justice for one person by stripping justice from another. Unless a SINGLE standard is applied, all you've done is applied a bandaid, leaving the wound itself untreated and festering.Jeremy Bullardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10211771570628606571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9068983395238677931.post-57742633679018699172013-08-08T20:15:22.057-07:002013-08-08T20:15:22.057-07:00Saw this linked to bigghost's twitter and chec...Saw this linked to bigghost's twitter and checked it out. I feel you for the most part. I think affirmative action should apply to ALL people from low income, urban areas. It's unfair if some milk chocolate light skinned pretty boy whose parents are lawyers gets into med school over an equally qualified whiteboy who wasn't born with a silver spoon and is the first person in his family to attend college.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9068983395238677931.post-64516431314997016722013-08-08T15:52:34.278-07:002013-08-08T15:52:34.278-07:00Bull shitBull shitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9068983395238677931.post-90981628843813667702013-08-08T13:52:47.603-07:002013-08-08T13:52:47.603-07:00While I am sure I have stated in the past that aff...While I am sure I have stated in the past that affirmative action is racist, because of the perception that it favors one subset of persons over another.<br /><br />What affirmative action IS is 'legally protected discrimination'. One select group either gets preferential treatment at the expense of another, or one select group gets discounted treatment to the benefit of others.<br /><br />What it isn't is 'white slavery', which is a term used to describe the sex slavery trade, which is different from what the normal American means when they say 'slavery' which is actually 'chattel slavery'. Some folks use it to describe the slavery system used by the Muslims when pirates would enslave the sailors of ships they had conquered.<br /><br />Any other use of the term 'white slavery' is the fault of the user.<br /><br />Of course, the talking heads like to twist meanings, and that tactic works with folks who don't think.<br /><br />Life isn't fair, never has been, never will be.<br /><br />99% of life's problems can be fixed if everyone would just follow one simple rule: Treat others as you wish to be treated.<br /><br />But no, affirmative action is not white slavery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9068983395238677931.post-37949939405461475202013-08-08T13:51:14.962-07:002013-08-08T13:51:14.962-07:00Well said. Well said. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9068983395238677931.post-40614008540481787482013-08-08T13:43:04.124-07:002013-08-08T13:43:04.124-07:00My hand has been forced with AA several times thro...My hand has been forced with AA several times throughout my career, with different companies. During the hiring process, it doesn't bother me as much as it does when it surfaces in downsizing situations. <br /><br />In those situations, on multiple occassions, I've been forced to remove staff members who were better fits for the position, already doing the work, etc... based soley on the fact that they're white. Downsizing sucks. Downsizing and having to fire people who know they are better than the people who are staying, REALLY SUCKS. Especially when they really have no recourse to fight against it. I've put my job on the line by flat out telling them... "sorry, it wasn't my choice, but legally it puts us at risk to remove the other person."<br /><br />Just went through this again... and on a conference call, with HR and the legal group, it was actually said, "I know these people aren't exactly right for the jobs, but if we don't keep them, we could be at risk. The others wouldn't have a case. Next time, if you really want to keep someone, make sure their reviews are all much better than the others... then maybe this would fly."<br /><br />In other words... discriminate against your employees all the time, so corporate won't have to discriminate for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com